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Review: The Pirates of Silicon Valley
by Kerry Douglas Dye

published 6/21/99

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Kerry Douglas Dye is LeisureSuit.net's Manhattan-based Senior Editor.



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The commercials for the new TNT telemovie "The Pirates of Silicon Valley" mostly portray Bill Gates yelling or looking obsessive, and Steve Jobs smiling beatifically, so I tuned in expecting another piece of anti-Microsoft propaganda. In actuality, the movie mostly sticks to Steve Jobs' story, and it is none too flattering. We get Steve Jobs the abusive employer, Steve Jobs the deadbeat dad, and Steve jobs the acid-tripper. The worst thing Bill Gates is seen doing is speeding.

When the old Mac vs. PC debates used to come up, I always came down squarely on the Microsoft side. Not because I have any particular affection for the company or the software--I'm not sure that's possible--but because I'm much more tuned into the Microsoft philosophy than to that of Apple. And it may be that the Microsoft philosophy is no philosophy, which is just fine with me. They design productivity software. Software to get work done (albeit some good, some not so good). My computer is a tool, like a hammer, or a disk sander. Apple got it all wrong.

"The Pirates of Silicon Valley" takes us to the beginning of both Apple and Microsoft. Steve Jobs' Apple is birthed out of Berkley in the days of beards and love beads. Jobs and his buddy Steve Wozniak have a cute little computer they've invented which is causing a lot of excitement. Eventually, they're getting orders, then money. Soon Apple is a booming company. Meanwhile, Bill Gates and his buddy, Paul Allen, bluff their way into creating an operating system for the newfangled machine, the Altair. Then they bluff their way into licensing DOS to IBM. Soon they're making a lot of money, although not as much as Apple. Apple steals the graphical user interface from Xerox's PARC labs, then Microsoft steals it from Apple. That's pretty much as far as the film takes us.

The computers that Jobs and Gates built reflect their personalities, so it's only natural that I'd be a PC man. Jobs is a flake, a primal screamer, a drug user, a hippie. It seems inevitable that a guy who spent so much time meditating should eventually self destruct . . . maybe if he spent that time productively his company might have accomplished something. Jobs was more interested in creating a cult than a business machine. In the film, he spends way to much time talking about art . . . remember, this is the mind that spawned the God-awful iMac. I don't buy a translucent blue hammer, why would I want a translucent blue computer?

That Bill Gates won shows that something's right with the world. It's a triumph of focus over haziness, order over chaos. How long the Microsoft empire will hold out is another question. The open-source movement is the most exciting thing to come about since the invention of the PC, and it may be heading towards a desktop near you . . . But the best argument for why Microsoft is far from all-powerful comes right from the story told in this movie. Microsoft arose out of nothing to conquer the world, simply because it had the vision that the older, staler companies like IBM lacked. What new idea is around the corner waiting to bite Microsoft on the ass?

Bill Gates recently wrote an article for an issue of Newsweek that was focusing on futuristic technology. Newsweek spent most of the magazine talking about smart toasters and other household objects that would communicate with one another through a common protocol . . . there would be no need for PC's in this version of the future. Then Gates came on with his little column, and he said, eh, all that stuff about a no-PC future is hogwash, no matter what happens there will always be PC's, and so on.

He ended the article with a line which said, and this is a quote from memory, so it won't be exact, that PC's would be around forever, and "I've staked the future of my company on it."

And the single word that entered my head when I read that was: "divest". No empire lasts forever.


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Name: jazz
Subject: review
-- May 22, 2007 at 4:48PM
i liked the movie and one day hope to invent something as great as the computer.

Name: Dan
Subject: Review
-- Apr 3, 2007 at 9:56PM
quite possibly the worst movie review ever to be written. also the worst analysis of steve jobs and apple's place in the coputer industry. an all in one translucent blue computer is alot better than a 2/3 part baige mostrosity. go shove your PC hammer up your ass.

Name: Nando
Subject: Review Was Bull Crap
-- Aug 27, 2006 at 11:59PM
This review sucked more than a porn star's duties. The reviewered was very biased.
:thumbs down to reviewer:

Name: david
Subject: money
-- Aug 7, 2006 at 9:12PM
the movie was really great an i want to become like you guys i want to make a lot of money and make my own kind of software not steal it from someone else. i made a game with my friend leonard and made 100 dollars of it already.

Name: leonard
Subject: sotware
-- Aug 7, 2006 at 9:08PM
i want to become a software guy i invented a a game called gangs of la.

Name: oscar
Subject: borring
-- Jul 19, 2006 at 12:26AM
Actually the movie was great and fantastic but of course we should consider things......coz the story was focuse only to steve jobs not to all the pioneers of the computer or to all who contributed in making computer most specially bill gates......will any way never the movie give us informatio how it started.

Name: Josh
Subject: Not much of a review
-- Jun 30, 2006 at 3:42PM
This is a poor excuse for a movie review; and a poorer excuse of computer platform review. Apple makes the kinds of computers they do b/c computers are used by more than just the corporate world. People have these things in their home offices, their living rooms, bedrooms, and even their entertainment centers. It's nice to have someone making computers that look like they belong in the home and not in some factory or cubicle. Furthermore you didn't say one thing about performance, b/c that's where Microsoft drops the ball.

You don't buy translucent blue hammers? Soooo..you buy beige hammers?

Name: MacMan
Subject: um, you call this a review?
-- Apr 9, 2006 at 5:16PM
Well, speaking without taking sides, I totally agree with Joe Lamb. If your going to review a movie, review the movie, don't go off on a tangent on how Apple sucks.

Name: robert
Subject: can you answer this question??
-- Feb 12, 2006 at 10:27AM
PIRATES OF SILICON VALLEY
who ever read this..please answer my question ....plzzzzz...
1.how is information used in the movie?
2. how did casts in the movie manage thoose information??
3. in the movie, what are the impact of mismanagement of information?
4. what code of ethics were violated in the movie? Refer to trhe ACM code of ethics.

Name: robert
Subject: can you answer this question??
-- Feb 12, 2006 at 10:27AM
PIRATES OF SILICON VALLEY
who ever read this..please answer my question ....plzzzzz...
1.how is information used in the movie?
2. how did casts in the movie manage thoose information??
3. in the movie, what are the impact of mismanagement of information?
4. what code of ethics were violated in the movie? Refer to trhe ACM code of ethics.

Name: Joe Lamb
Subject: This isn't a review!
-- Feb 10, 2006 at 4:51PM
Mate, this isn't a review, it's you ranting about how great micro$oft is and occasionaly mentioning the film. Anyway, now that macs and PCs run on the same chips, the fact that Mac OS is screaming along, leaving 'doze in it's wake just goes to show that Mac is the far superior operating system.

Apple actually bought the GUI, but it was so cheap that they may as well have stolen it. Get your facts right! It's zombie-like morons like you, spreading your suit-wearing microsoft depression that make me sick. Get your act together, and don't write another film review until you can be impartial!

POSTED PROUDLY ON A MAC!

Name: Shane
Subject: Correction
-- Jan 25, 2006 at 7:34PM
In your review (obviously pro Microsoft) you state that Apple stole GUI from Xerox. This simply isn't true. Xerox brass GAVE Apple the interface. Microsoft are the ones who stole it when they were trusted in good faith to develop apps for the Mac. Maybe you should watch the movie again and pay more attention before you flame Apple for theft.

Name: Michael K. Shenton
Subject: '(The) Pirates Of Silicon Valley!!'
-- Dec 13, 2005 at 2:33PM
I saw the film and I'm surprised it didn't do better. I thought, it was excellent!!

It shows just what you can do, if you're celever, skillful and talented etc. etc.

Name: rae
Subject: bill
-- Dec 8, 2005 at 11:14AM
bill gates wasnt just the smiling golden boy in this movie, he was creepy, unemotional, like he was a computer himself...they're both greedy bastards, one was just smarter then the other.

Name: james
Subject: never
-- Nov 8, 2005 at 5:42PM
I have never seen this movie but I have a research paper due tomorrow------this sucks

Name: DaddyMac
Subject: REview
-- Nov 2, 2005 at 1:26PM
This wa a great movie. People are still talking about which is better. The obvious choice is a Mac running on Panther. If you look at the new windows operating system you can see that Microsoft is still stealing from a Mac. Where the the superior thinking coming from, microsoft????????

Name: danny
Subject: review
-- Oct 16, 2005 at 3:31PM
I think it was a great movie, because it's the true story of how many of the the biggest companys have formed. Most of the time this is what happens.

For the guy who sold the operating system to Steve Jobs (that poor nerd messed up big time)

Name: Melissa
Subject: HELP
-- Sep 22, 2005 at 9:08PM
Yeah, i have to do an essay on this movie and it has to be three pages long. Its taking forever and its really hard. I hardly know anything about the movie because i couldnt see the tv in class and my teacher wouldnt let me move. So i need some desperate help...

Name: emma
Subject: funny indeed
-- Sep 13, 2005 at 5:36PM
i like the last argument on windows side. basically just a lot of fucks. i am a windows user and can admit benefits on both sides. they're better for different purposes

Name: fuck off windows lovers
Subject: macs are sweet
-- Sep 5, 2005 at 6:46PM
I started with a 286 running DOS. When I did, the Mac was a frustrating machine. But it evolved - it is today the most user friendly, and a hell of a lot more compatible. Mostly, its cooler than Windows.

Windows does one thing really well - it crashes. Fuck NT, Fuck 2000, Fuck ME, it grinds to a halt and crashes at the drop of a hat.

Macs do NOT crash, period. So fuck you if you think Windows is cool - half of you assholes haven't even used a Mac. So go fuck yourself. Mac RULE.

Name: Steven
Subject: me obligaron a ver esto
-- Aug 29, 2005 at 3:23PM
todos son unos ambisiosos y se creen que lo pueden todo y lo que quieren haser es un monolopolio ... PR

Name: Your Mom
Subject: In The Ass
-- Aug 17, 2005 at 8:35AM
you all are total imbecils. gates has given us what we want. everything and anything. windows doesn't give us restraints. sure if linux was more widely used, i would use it, but it's not. don't blame microsoft because it happens to be. that's the way the cookie crumbled. so fuck you all microsft hatin' bitches!

Name: Steve Jobs
Subject: Jobs
-- Aug 5, 2005 at 11:37AM
I don't even eat meat and
i love and care about my
health as well as my family more than anything
in the world and of course Apple and Pixar.
how could Mr. Dauglas say
those bad things 'bout me? y' know me?

Fucker!

Name: jose
Subject: I love Microsoft xxx
-- Aug 5, 2005 at 11:26AM
In my nighbourhood
Windows is something of
a crappy looking +
+ unstable + unnecessary harddisk spinning + resource sucking software of all time.
Microsoft has no idea of
what makes software look and feel solid. I studied
Dos and windows for a long time before i got
the hang of a Mac OS9 and OSX. Then i realised that i've spend half of my life on a crappy Windows OS. Not to mention Win3.1
Can't the world see the
difference?

Name: The Editors Respond
Subject: Re: what a bias article
-- May 22, 2005 at 11:21AM
Maybe you should go back to school and learn the difference between journalism and criticism. Bias is frowned upon in the first, not the second.

Name: JustYen
Subject: what a bias article
-- May 20, 2005 at 1:58AM
Your article is total bias...I can't believe I actually lost my time reading such piece of crap.....

Your love for pc's blocked you in writing a great article...go back to school and learn some journalism...

Name: fnd
Subject: unbelieveable
-- May 19, 2005 at 12:13PM
I just don't get it! After all these years we are still fighting over this movie? C'mon, move on will ya? get a life!

Name: YYYYAAAARRRRRRR
Subject: MORE SWORDS
-- May 11, 2005 at 1:09PM
now, ive seen some pirate movies, but never in my life have i seen less fighting and swords, i mean, c'mon, steve jobs is built like a pirate but he has no sword holder, whats the deal, and bill gates, his sword was about as untouched as his weight room, and what about ships or guns or cannons, and that waz guy, u dont have a name like waz and night weild a sword, or drive a ship, or shoot a cannon, its blasphemy in the highest form
thank you

Name: LaurenC
Subject: Critics
-- Apr 30, 2005 at 6:45PM
The movie is good. It is more on ethics on doing good business. Steve Jobs do not kow what is the real essence of those people helping him out to do good business. Bill Gates knows something that doing business with ethics is much valuale than doing business for lucrative businesses. There's a lot of ethical issues we could find in this story that will surely help many businessmen to understand about ethics and business.

Name: Davetor
Subject: Good movie
-- Apr 29, 2005 at 12:59PM
the movie is good.
that is all.
thank you thank you, im white.

Name: chris
Subject: Great movie
-- Apr 28, 2005 at 11:17PM
This is a great movie, im doing a paper on it. Some people need to learn that bisnuiess isnt nice and friendly. Sometimes stealing ideas is what happens in the bisnuiess world. I back windows 100%, because for one,it gets the work done. I dont care about the backround of the operating system im using, as long as it works and helps me in my own job/life. Also macintosh was, and is still hippy based.

Name: A non-nerd
Subject: Computers are for Nerds!
-- Apr 1, 2005 at 6:33AM
If you think this movie is good, you are a nerd!
If you think that the Mac made computer cool, you are a nerd!
If you think Bill Gates is a hero, you are a nerd!

Name: zandra
Subject: nothing really
-- Feb 11, 2005 at 11:59AM
im doing a paper on this movie and it's really hard

Name: Apple-Onia
Subject: Bill The Great
-- Jan 26, 2005 at 1:10PM
Bill Gates is nothing but a power-monger. I have NEVER heard anyone say they chose Microsoft products because they are superior. "It's the industry standard" is usually the deciding factor. The 2 camps are: Windows Veterans vs. Mac Enthusiasts.

Name: latiff
Subject: Microsoft Sucks
-- Jan 25, 2005 at 10:18PM
Microsoft sucks, really it does. It's not right that microsoft stole from both apple and IBM. Microsoft is buggy, because all the stuff it originated from was on beta. It was being tested. Bill Gates is a fake. He didn't do anything. His partner did most of the work. He says he is against pirating stuff, but his company was made out of lying, stealing,etc... What a moron!

Name: nunya
Subject: chris
-- Nov 17, 2004 at 8:06AM
Incompitance comes from an unopen mind if computers suck how did you get the chance to voice your ignorant opinion.

Name: nunya
Subject: Pirates of silicon valley
-- Nov 17, 2004 at 8:04AM
I think you should have written more details like dates and such.

Name: Benzo
Subject: P
-- Oct 19, 2004 at 12:14PM
That chris person who wrote all that stuff about apple computers is retarded, you suck!

Name: Benzo
Subject: Pirates Of The Caribbean
-- Oct 19, 2004 at 12:11PM
i love this movies, Johnny Depp Just blew me away, blew me a friggin' way

Name: Neha
Subject: Pi
-- Sep 28, 2004 at 10:09AM
this is the best movie about computers

Name: Pablo Gutiérrez Alonso
Subject: Monopoly
-- Sep 19, 2004 at 8:45PM
You wrote:
"The worst thing Bill Gates is seen doing is speeding."
Well, i suppose you can not spell monopoly, do you?

Name: chris
Subject: Pirates Of Silicon Valley
-- Aug 8, 2004 at 4:58PM
A DRUG USER!!! YOU ARE MAKING THAT SHIT UP KERRY DOUGALS FUCK!!!!!!! FUCK GATES AND FUCK IBM PC AND DELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THINK DIFFERNT BITCH!!!!!

Name: chris
Subject: Pirates Of Silicon Valley
-- Aug 8, 2004 at 4:54PM
I think that you are making that crap aboiut steve jobs up, because you like Gates and PC. Well this is what i have to say. Bill Gates is Nerd and Steve Jobs is more cooler then the wormy guy named gates. Bill Was Caught BREAKING INTO A ELECTRONIC WHAREHOPUSE ONCE, JOBS WAS ALMOST CAUGHT WITH THAT NONPAYBLE PAY PHONE HIM AND WAZ MADE. PLUS YOU DON'T MANY DOCUMNENTRIES ABOUT APPLE AND JOBS SO GIVE THEM A BREAK

Name: Gab
Subject: Review: The Pirates of Silicon Valley
-- Jul 28, 2004 at 3:39AM
"And it may be that the Microsoft philosophy is no philosophy, which is just fine with me".

I'm speechless. "No philosophy" is equivalent to "no thought".

Name: Oz Gang*
Subject: the article
-- Feb 27, 2004 at 2:40AM
isnt it nice to know that the richest man in the world was founded by "Lieing, Cheating and Stealing", yet it was alright for him to do this, but he was quick to inforce the laws of not letting others steal his ideas when they came? u may think different but this is all fact...not fiction

Name: jen
Subject: the article
-- Jul 1, 2003 at 9:53PM
your review is too biased. kerry u seem one-sided against the two companies. whats this fuss getting ideas from newsweek? i thought all of this infos. came only from the movie.

Name: warren
Subject: cute
-- Jun 30, 2003 at 9:59PM
the movie is the best, thats what i think. It makes people learn how the computer starts all over again

Name: An LS.n Reader
Subject: Review: The Pirates of Silicon Valley
-- Jun 7, 2003 at 10:42AM
i detect your a bit biased towards the pc lol. Anyway I think your being a bit too hard on apple..theyre a company that made computers cool and easy to work with. Not everyone wants to spend their whole life fixing machines and trying to go through a days work without the bsod

Name: samy
Subject: Great!
-- Mar 30, 2003 at 1:31PM
I think, it is really a great movie, I am 17 now, and I didnt know how the PC evolved, I mean how bill gates became the richest man in the world. By the time I came to know of computers - I heard only WINDOWS. WINDOWS.WINDOWS. I didnt even gave a thought of what is Mac, what is apple. But this movie helped me understand what has really happened. I now know, reading from the reviews, that there were some exacsirations, but it really is Good, I think those who think this movie as a bad one, want to be noted and noticed by the readers. Anyways, This is really a very Good movie.

Name: ff
Subject: ff
-- Feb 4, 2003 at 11:51AM
this is the worst movie i have ever seen in my live

Name: Kerry Douglas Dye Responds
Subject: Re: "computers" ; ;
-- Jan 5, 2003 at 2:03PM
> correction : gates
> did not and does not
> design computers...

Yeah, yeah ... I assume you're taking issue with my phrase "The computers that Jobs and Gates built".

It might be technically more accurate to say "the OS's" they built, or I could get more specific I suppose, though I think the rest of the article makes clear what I mean. It was a phrase of literary convenience, if not perfect technical clarity.

Apologies if it offended your technically-oriented mind.

(That said, the presumed audience of this television review was non-technical readers, and for them, for all intents and purposes, Microsoft or Apple has in fact designed their experience of using a computer.)

Name: me
Subject: "computers" ;
-- Jan 5, 2003 at 12:33PM
correction : gates did not and does not design computers...

you can not compare apples and oranges other than to say that they arent nuts...

Name: Johnnyfeds87
Subject: The White Collar World.
-- Dec 3, 2002 at 3:20PM
I've realized that the time is right to write about the White Collar World. I've written a book that contains events frome the 70's, 80's and 90's. It seems to me that like the Mafia White collar people have thought of themselfs of immortal. So I've written a book about the White Collar Scandles of the 90's and today. I have also written it in a GoodFellors theme. I consider the White Collar schemes of the 90's and today The White-Collar worlds Spanish Armada. I also consider Bill Gates my generations John Gody.

Name: rich
Subject: my 2-cents
-- Nov 11, 2002 at 10:21AM
the movie sucks and all the people who think it's good are nerds!

Name: lara
Subject: my yak
-- Aug 22, 2002 at 7:27AM
I watched this movie for a computer class. And before you ask, no, it's not my major. Anyway,I thought that this movie was interesting, and I had no idea that Microsoft and Apple started just because there was a huge rift between friends. I need to get this clear: were they friends before Apple and Microsoft, or were they just strangers who were trying to make killer jabs on who gets to the market first?

Name: Jonathan
Subject: Re:Re: My 2-cents
-- Jun 8, 2002 at 11:06PM
There are some of us (though not many) who really do "give a
shit" (as you say) about style.

In the early days of the PC, style was a big issue. Investors were reluctant to put money into personal computer
companies because the general public perceived computers as scary and investors didn't think that they would sell.
Apple did alot to change that perception.
People thought that the Apple II was a cute machine. I believe
that this paradigm shift was critical for the general public
to accept the idea that a home computer was something that
they could actually use. Steve Jobs was very concerned with
this aspect of the marketing effort and I think this had alot
to do with the large amount of money that investors were willing to spend on Apple in the early days of the PC
(and ultimately why Apple was so successful).

I prefer MacOSX to Windows and yes, style is a part of the reason. I have no ill will towards Microsoft, I just
haven't had a good experience with their products. Your mileage
may vary.


Name: Kerry Douglas Dye Responds
Subject: Re: My 2-cents
-- Jun 2, 2002 at 9:37PM
Since writing this article, I've recently had more real world experiences with Macs. I now use both a one-year-old G4 and a three-year-old Dell laptop running Windows NT 4. The G4 definitely crashes more. The NT machine I run for months at a time. The G4 reports file system errors every couple of days and has to be rebooted.

Okay, not exactly a scientific test in a sterile lab environment, but the point is, Macs are hardly all that. And yeah, Windows may not have style but, um ... who gives a shit?

Name: Jonathan
Subject: My 2-cents
-- Jun 2, 2002 at 8:21PM
I think that you were a little hard on Steve Jobs. He did have a vision and did much to bring personal computers into the mainstream. However grumpy anyone wants to be about his personality, the actual truth is that the computer industry is in his debt.

I had mixed feelings about the I-Mac's appearance as well, but it grew on me. In the final analysis, the Windows based machines have no style at all, and they still aren't as reliable as a Mac (in my humble opinion).

Name: terrible
Subject: need to know
-- Sep 12, 2001 at 6:14AM
Is apple & microsoft independent or interdependent? what product did microsoft sell and was there any company that bought it?would love to know more in this topic

Name: Adrian Arroyo
Subject: the movie
-- May 20, 2001 at 6:46AM
the movie is the best. it makes other people inspiration. i like steve jobs & bill gates there are my idol

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Name: Average Joe
Subject: imac
-- Aug 29, 2000 at 3:30AM
" the God-awful iMac"???
iMac's rock! It's about
damn time someone
changed the way
computers look. I hate
my PC!

Name: Kerry Douglas Dye Responds
Subject: Re: more on Commodore
-- Jan 24, 2000 at 9:14AM
Ooo, nice tactical strike.

I'm going to retreat some ground on the issue, since confessedly, I forgot the Amiga (funny since I have no fewer than two friends who still use theirs).

However, from my entrenchment back a few yards, I will point out that, if you're making a telemovie that just covers the evolution of Mac and Windows, then Commodore 64, Amiga, GEOS, whatever, still aren't forebears. The writers could only cover so much ground, so they had to stick to the essentials.

But one more hit from your side, and my troops may just throw down their weapons entirely.

Name: rob benson
Subject: more on Commodore
-- Jan 24, 2000 at 8:36AM
Actually ,your age shows here. Commodore released the GUI based Amiga at the same time Apple was pushing the Mac, and Microsoft pulled up with the pathetic Windows shell. Amiga actually had all the advantages. In 1987 it had 4096 colors, stereo sound, and a serious list of video editing software. The only thing that could kill them was their piss poor management. And so it did. Label this one "Right machine, wrong company" .Note also, that until Windows '95 Windows was NOT an OS, it was a shell, much like Berkley Software's GEOS OS on the C=64 (dig up the info, it's out there.) If it is simian life you are searching for, look to Microsoft, just think, seven years after the other companies go GUI, MS is still primarily a DOS Based machine with a slappy coat of Win 3.1 on top. Primitive to say the least. I do however agree that someday, Microsoft will get "whooped" someday, but I think that open source systems, such as Linux, have a long way to go in ease of setup and use before MS has much to fear.

Name: Kerry Douglas Dye Responds
Subject: Re: Where's C=?
-- Jan 22, 2000 at 2:34PM
I think you overestimate the importance of the Commodore to the history of software. Granted, machines like Commodores and TRS-80s were the toy forerunners of the modern PC, but their unsophisticated command-line operating systems hardly fit snugly in the evolution history of either Macintosh or Windows.

Mac began with the GUI, Windows began with the command line MS-DOS, and Commodore has no more place in their ancestry than the gorilla in the history of man. We have common forebears, but one didn't lead to the other.

Name: R.Benson
Subject: Where's C=?
-- Jan 22, 2000 at 10:13AM
One comment about the accuracy of this movie, Where's Commodore? They were the Bic lighter of the computing world, but the movie never mentions them once! It's like having a WW2 documentary without Japan. How could you have missed this?
I think you have your computer too high on a pedastal, like so many people it has taken control of you. Macs are the right idea, but the wrong machine. By the way, why bother with the hammer, you could use a rock! :)

Name: Me
Subject: You Suck
-- Dec 20, 1999 at 5:59AM
You have no idea. You contradict yourself about ten times in this article .

Name: dr no
Subject: iBook
-- Jul 22, 1999 at 5:07AM
I just saw pictures of the iBook. It reminded me that Kery Douglas Dye said he didn't want a translucent blue hammer. That's fine fr him, but, I'm realizing, most Americans probably WOULD want a translucent blue hammer.

Computers are not just tools anymore, they are furniture. Early radios and TVs were bulky, now their designs have shifted to fit in with the modern home.

What's next? Wood-paneled desktops by Eddie Bauer? Plaid desktops by Ralph Lauren?

iMac & iBook have already put Swatch out of the running for computer design; though I think if Mike Meyers moves quick he can have his "shag" look selling units in no time.

We are living in the future.

Name: Kerry Douglas Dye Responds
Subject: Re: huh?
-- Jul 18, 1999 at 9:10PM
"Once a robot, always a robot?" What is that, a biblical quote? No, your response won't fall on deaf ears. You make plenty of good points, but ultimately it all comes down to that philosophical gulf.

How can defend the three points you bring up? Here's how:

Point 1: Microsoft may not be the most innovative company in the world, but neither is it the least. They spend a goodly amount of money on R&D, and in their history have most certainly innovated a thing or two (granted, not always successfully). But as important as innovating, is appropriating other people's innovations (note I voted for Clinton twice)--that might not seem fair, but where it's within the limits of the law, it's how progress gets made.

Point 2: Microsoft is not totally above market pressures. If users hated Windows, it would fall. As far as I'm concerned, by Windows 95, the Microsoft OS is far more flexible and adaptable than Mac. A greater learning curve for inexperienced users? Perhaps. Less stable? Probably, but easier to tune. But for my own purposes, as a developer, programmer, and power user, the Mac OS is too opaque, "opaque" being a more appropriate description of "user friendly" . . . and frankly, I find that the more user friendly Microsoft makes its products, the harder they are to use. Microsoft Word Autocorrect, anyone?

Point 3: Microsoft plays to win. I respect that.

You are right, I don't use my computer much for music or art. Well, I mean I do use it for playing CDs or MP3s, but then of course a PC is just fine. And I do use it for low-stress PhotoShop work, but if I were producing more complex graphics or an entire print magazine, sure, I'd probably go Mac. My other outlet for general creativity is writing, and for that, I could pretty much work on anything.

Maybe I'm just the last Luddite computer geek--I don't want my computer to infiltrate every part of my life. I want to use it for things I need it for, and then go about my day. If other people have the need for another object in their house with a "soul" in it, fine. But damn it, I've got work to do.

Name: Bob Yoursis
Subject: huh?
-- Jul 18, 1999 at 7:54PM
I know this response will probably fall on deaf ears, because "Once a robot, always a robot," but I must disagree with the statement,
"That Bill Gates won shows that something's right with the world."
I must question your reasoning in making this comment. Granted, Apple (not Jobs) is guilty of poor business sense in not licensing its operating system, but how can you defend the Microsoft approach of…
1) rather than cultivating vision within its own company, stomping out creative companies through sheer financial brute force
2) rather than making user satisfaction a priority, taking a monopolistic approach to the Windows OS
3) perhaps most shamefully of all - attempting to force its products on users by hardwiring them into Windows and sabotaging competing technologies. When everyone has to use Windows because of the need for a standard, this controlling approach is inexcusable.

Finally, it's great that you see a computer as a tool and nothing more, but I have a feeling that you use it for very narrow purposes, as opposed to a platform for music, art and general creativity as well (although there is nothing wrong with Mac performance in number crunching either). My point is that computers encompass all of these things and as they infiltrate our lives more and more, people are bound to want something more than an ugly, soulless box. Considering that the Internet has opened up so many possibilities for people to pursue their interests, it's clear that people are viewing their computers as much more than a "hammer." The success of the iMac proves that.

Name: CE
Subject: When MAC came out
-- Jun 29, 1999 at 10:51PM
When MAC came out, I asked my friend, (Yes I do have friends that play with MACs) if this was it. I mean, did it come with a full size screen and this was the
portable screen...I thought they looked goofy. I also don't feel that Bill Gates has to work hard in being creative, that's why he pays people to do it. And it all goes to show, where the go out and have fun gets you!
Jobs was getting high while Gates was making a bunch of money.
Now who is the richest man in the world?
That's the way I feel anyway.

Name: Kerry Douglas Dye Responds
Subject: Re: re: Dye Responds
-- Jun 28, 1999 at 9:44PM
Okay, that's almost concord. It sounds like we've agreed we're not going to go out drinking together any time soon, and I'm cool with that. If big fun is what you're after, by all means, Mac it up. But in my other life, I'm a programmer and an applications developer. And for stuff like that . . . I'm sorry, but Mac is just goofy.

Name: John
Subject: re: Dye Responds
-- Jun 28, 1999 at 7:10PM
Alright, so you're happy with the anal retentive label - at least you've got a sense of humor about it. You're a Muzak kind of a guy - shuffling about in your tweed jacket and bifocals, hungrily awaiting the latest edition of Webster's. Or maybe your a little more sinister than that; one of those skin headed automatons in Apple's 1984 commercial, ambling numbly toward the light of Redmond. Did you see the recent Q&A appearance by Bill Gates and Warren Buffet at a business school seminar? All Gates did was regurgitate Buffet's lively and thoughtful responses in his own whiny one dimensional way. He threw in a few of his tired clichés about surrounding yourself with smart people and a computer on every desk; there's not a creative bone in Bill's fragile little body. He might as well be a brain mounted on a stick. OK, you can stay home in a blanket and play poker with the Gates codgers, cause us Jobs/Buffet types are gonna go out and have some fun.

Name: C.E.
Subject: <F***>Bill Gates?
-- Jun 28, 1999 at 2:57PM
What woman wouldn't?

Name: Kerry Douglas Dye Responds
Subject: Re: Kerry the klown
-- Jun 28, 1999 at 8:32AM
Well, I can't argue with the "bitter geek" comment, but I've got to take issue with the implication that I'm middle-aged. Maybe when I turn 40 in the year 2014 you can level that accusation, but for now, I'd stick to insults like "young punk" or something of that nature. Of course, you're right that I reviewed the men and their computers rather than the movie, but on the other hand . . . it's just *television*, for God's sake. What really can you say about it?

Name: Kerry Douglas Dye Responds
Subject: Re: Pirates of Silicon Valley
-- Jun 28, 1999 at 8:29AM
Okay, I hear ya. I'm not sure I'm as ready to bend over and spread 'em for Bill Gates as you seem to be, and and think I miss the syllogistic implications of the phrase "the Internet had to happen and Bill Gates was the genius behind
marketing Windows," but I certainly share your passion for technology. Somewhere around here, I've still got my old TSR-80 rotting in a closet somewhere. It's 15 years later, but BASIC is still my first language.

Name: Kerry Douglas Dye Responds
Subject: Re: Pirates Review
-- Jun 28, 1999 at 8:26AM
Yes! Anal retentive, thank you! That's the term I was looking for. I've always preferred your anal retentive Bill Gates types to your anal expressive Steve Jobs types. It's just more dignified.

Name: Billy Star
Subject: Kerry the klown
-- Jun 28, 1999 at 3:23AM
Bitter Geek comes to mind when I think of Doug-less Dye's review of the Pirates of Silicon Valley. I did get a few things out of the article though. 1.Kerry is a middle aged closed minded looser that couldn't get laid in a morgue. 2.He uses his computer as a "tool" to relieve the little man hood he posses. 3.He left his underwear and Vaselline in Bill Gates' limo. Furthermore I could care less about what computer he uses or recommends. Review the movie, not your pathetic life existence.

Name: C.E.
Subject: Pirates of Silicon Valley
-- Jun 28, 1999 at 3:02AM
I read your review on the Pirates Of Silicon Valley and HIGHLY agree.
Technology changes so fast. My first computer was a Commodore Pet. Yeah,
a tape-driven PET. I thought we were rockin' high society then. Until I
got my vic 20, then my c-64. I thought having a printer/plotter was one
of the biggest technologies of eighties. My friend had an atari and and
I had a C-64. Duel disk drives daisy chained. Wow! I had over 300 phone
numbers to bulletin boards all over Virginia and then Utah. I was moving
up. When I got my first ATT clone I knew I was in cyber heaven. I was
addicted to computers and needed more programs. Microsoft was brand new
and I was just learning how to motivate around on a computer that could
use windows. I knew the internet was going to be here way before it was.
I was already downloading and uploading before many people knew that you
could have a computer at home. I love my PC. My PC is not only a tool,
but my PC has allowed me to touch the hearts of hundreds of thousands of
people. The Internet had to happen and Bill Gates was the genius behind
marketing Windows. I think we are all going to see a lot more of Bill
Gates.

Name: john
Subject: Pirates Review
-- Jun 28, 1999 at 2:41AM
My observation about Kerry Douglas Dye after reading the review of
"Pirates" is that the author is extremely anal retentaive. Is this
true?


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